Guadalupe River Chapter Trout Unlimited


Publisher: Bob Tuttle (512)261‑4409

Published 3 times each year: January‑April‑October Number 50

Meetings; 4th Saturday of the above months

Contributors: Mike Morton, Jeff Schmitt, Alan Bray,

Jim Vynalek Mr‑ Streamside Manners



President: Alan Bray 512‑263‑9619

Clem Bird

Hylmar Karbach, Jr.

VP Chapter Affair: Erik Bataille 512‑250‑9194

Charles Meader

Hugh Nugent

VP Fishing Affairs: Billy Trimble 512‑218‑1876

Judy Presswood

Irving O'Neal

Secretary: Walter Zoch 512‑288‑3331

Ken Rupkalvis

Buddy Robichaux

Treasurer: Ron Presswood 713‑932‑7874

Bob Story

Kent T. Rush

Past President: Jeff Schmitt

Marian Tilson

Ex‑Officio: Jim Vynalek


Notice of Annual Winter Meeting and Newsletter Saturday, January 27, 1996


 NEW PLACE: The Dam Red Barn (across from St. Thomas Church). This is Just below Canyon Dam on South Access Road   Sattler, Texas.


SPECIAL: 9:00 a.m.   Lease Access Angler Education Class 

The Meeting TIME: 10:00 a.m.  

Registration & Socializing Coffee, tea, etc.

10: 3 0 to 11: 00 ‑ Meeting Business

RAFFLE; Bamboo 2 piece rod and a reel (See raffle sheet)

PROGRAM: Bud Priddy 11:00 ‑ 12:00

(Optional) Barbecue Lunch only $6.00. Please obtain ticket when signing in if you plan to eat.

Director's Meeting Following


At the October Meeting:

New director, Hugh Nugent came on board The double raffle items of the Sage 3 piece fly rod and the Lamson reel were won y Ken Prescott (the rod) from Del Rio and David & Sharon Morris (the reel) out of Austin. None were present at the meeting. This just goes to show you that you do not have to be at a meeting to win one of these fine raffle offerings but they did miss out on a great pro ram. 129 members, guests, and others were in attendance The largest meeting ever!


A great program was presented, first before lunch and then, for several hours following by the well‑known Dave Hughes. In the last newsletter the fact that the afternoon session was fee based was omitted in error. The morning program was free.


We regret that all members were not notified of this fact before the meeting. But it was not possible to contact more than 1800 people in that short time.


The January Program...

Program director Irving O'Neal has lined up long time Chapter member Bud Priddy again for another exciting program . Bud is the author of "Fly‑Fishing The Texas Hill Country" which has gone into reprint several times and is currently being updated. Besides discussing the book and answering questions, he will be showing a video contains information on river fishing along with techniques for catching bass, sunfish as well as trout. This presentation should not be missed unless your fishing skills do not need improving.


Bits and Pieces....

Be sure to note the new meeting spot because we have outgrown the facilities at the church. The Dam Red Barn is easy to find, you cannot miss it, just across from our former meeting spot. Can accommodate 400 people if necessary and provides a restaurant. Another feature is that they have a RV park with full hookups for overnight visitors.


Received a note from the White River Artisans School out of Cotter, Arkansas stating that they offer a workshop for making bamboo fly rods, wooden rod cases landing nets and other fly fishing accessories with fishing on the White River . Also included is a where to/how to introduction to White River fl fishing plus a one full day floating the White River with a noted guide. For further information, contact them at (501) 435‑2600.

At a S.W. Artists show held at Laguna Gloria last November, I came across some out t d' original and unique trout prints by a local artist. anyone is interested, the artist is K. Holland a can be contacted at (512) 451‑9598,

The season's first and second trout stocking events held in November and December were very well attended the weather was excellent, the fish were lively and healthy. After the stockings, a river cleanup was performed by many of the lease access card holders. The Guadalupe River is beginning to look pristine again. In fact, it has never looked better in the last 10 years but don't stop picking up trash because it still needs the effort.

A new outdoor sports consignment shop Second Season Outdoors has recently opened in Austin. They will buy, sell, trade or consign hunting fishing, and camping gear. The address is: 4402 . Lamar Blvd. Phone: (512‑302‑4327


In the October newsletter it was announced that Rodmakers was relocating on 6th street. This did not come to pass. Rodmakers is now back in their old neighborhood next door to the original spot. The new address is: 7739 Northcross Dr. Suite N which is behind Oshman's /Northcross Mail off of Anderson lane. Phone number is (512) 452‑7637. Larger premises and the new hours are Tuesday through Friday 10 am to 7 pm. Saturday 10 to 5. Closed Sunday and Monday. They specialize in custom fishing rods done either by them or yourself under their expert guidance.


TP&W has informed us that the number of trout that are released state wide are determined b 2 factors: the number of trout stamps purchased in the various sectors and the number of people surveyed fishing on the Saturdays following the stockings in those sectors. To insure more ish in the Guadalupe, please buy your trout stamps in either Travis, Hayes, or Comal Counties and possibly fish on those particular saturdays. A complete list of stockings can be found in this newsletter.


Have been advised by Ken Rupkalvis that the creel survey boxes have been put up along the river. Please make entries when you catch fish and the results will be posted in the newsletter for the benefit of all.

Fishing the Crowsnest River in Alberta, Canada by Mike Morton


I have always wanted to fish in Canada. I now work for a company that has a plant in Calgary and I have enjoyed many trips to Alberta over the past several years. Most of the trips have had busy work agendas that left no time for fishing. This summer, however, I was able to plan a trip for late July that would include a week of work and a few days of fishing. My wife, Susan‑‑who does not yet ‑‑‑ would a so fish but loves to relax in trout country be able to join me.


I had long admired the beauty of the Bow River and I knew it its reputation as one of the finest dry fly streams in North America. I had also recently read an article in Fly Fisherman about the Crownest River, 140 miles southwest of Calgary. After phoning the fly shops in Calgary and in the Crowsnest 'ass, decided that the Crowsnest would give me the best unguided time on the river.

Susan and I stayed at The River's Edge. This bed and breakfast lodge is owned by Wilke Lamb, a native of Montana who moved to the Crowsnest Pass about ten year ago. Mike is a gregarious guy who knows the river, and runs a fine fishing lodge.


The Crowsnest is a relatively small river that can be easily waded at almost any point. Access is quite good. Much of the land is privately owned, but the owners do not restrict the river. Much of the area upstream from The River's Edge is owned by the state. Canadians refer to this government roperty as "Crown Land," and I understand if to be comparable to U.S. Forest Service land. Fishermen are allowed to enter the land on foot, but are not allowed to drive. The Crowsnest, like all western rivers, can be fished with heavier weight lines. "You Americans leave your two and three‑weights at home." Advised the fly shops in Calgary. But I found my four‑weight outfit to be quite adequate on the Crowsnest, although a heavier line would be advisable for the Bow.

July is usually the height of the golden stonefly hatch. Golden stoneflies; are large Plecoptera with long wings and an orange thorax. To deposit eggs in the water, the female stonefly dives onto eggs surface the splash that dislodges the eggs carried on the underside of her body. The golden en stonefly is imitated large Stimulators and by Fluttering Stone and Bullet Head Stone flies.


I was advised not to fish early but to let the warmth of the sun first make the insects active. My first day I tried the dry flies and the techniques that I was told would work, but I had no success. I was disappointed. I was seeing no hatches, and no rises. By midafternoon I had switched to Brassies and I began to catch brook trout. After fishing for several hours, and wading about a mile of the river, I finally stepped in water over my waders and decided to go back to the cabin for a while.


At the entrance to the Crown Lands, I met a jubilant angler from New Jersey who claimed to have had one of his best days. He showed me a live golden stonefly captured in a plastic box, and he gave me one of the size 8 Stimulators that had worked so well for him that day. He advised me to walk up carefully on a pool at green water, and then slap a large Stimulator down on the surface and be ready for a quick strike.

I had seen plenty of green pools that day, and slapping a fly on the water is something that I do we 11. So wit renewed enthusiasm I d ove to the local fly shop and bought a handful of Stimulators that were ust a shade of orange different from the ones that i had brought from algary.


That evening Susan and I enjoyed a dinner of steaks at the lodge. We lingered with coffee and

conversation on the porch, then walked down to a gravel bar where I threw some big streamers. The midsummer sun still provided a pleasant twilight at 10:00 P.M..

The next morning with renewed expectations and my new flies I hurried to the river. I waited beside a pool until I saw one of the large stoneflies dive onto the water. Then I began fishing. I had worked a couple of ools without luck when I cast into an eddy at the foot of a cliff. Just as the fly landed a rainbow struck it like a bass. The thirteen inch fish fought well, working itself into the fast current then airborne before I brought it to the net. going airborne excitement of this early fish I saw no more stoneflies and was unable to bring any fish to the surface. The rest of the day I had fairly steady luck using nymphs and a drowned Adams.

Our me on the Crowsnest was too short. I tend tofish a river better with time, and I was still hoping

for one of the 20 inch rainbows that are common on the Crowsnest. We had grown fond of the cool weather, the cabin, and relaxed schedule that we were enjoying We left reluctantly and drove back to taking the long route through the Kananaski's area. A few hours later we were shoulder to shoulder with the business travelers at the Austin airport as we stepped outside into the 100‑degree weather.


I will go to the Crowsnest again next summer. And next summer I will take a drift boat down the Bow. Next summer.


A Sportsman's Guide to By Jeff Schmitt Dining on The Guadalupe

Ever spent all day fishing on the river and then tried to figure out where to get a decent bite to eat? Or, after getting up before dawn to race down to the river, you find that need to get a taco in you before you can even see to tie on #18 emerger   Things can be a bit spread out and hard to find around the Guadalupe, but there are actually some pretty darn good restaurants around. Here s a few you might want to consider:


Rafters Rapid Grill ‑ In Gruene From 306 take the main road into Gruene, ‑  veer right and go across the bridge

over the river. It's on the left. Great breakfast tacos or a good place to stop for snacks and a drink after fishing.


Twin Oaks Cafe ‑ On 306 up on the lake. Next to Hancock Center Fine home cooking and a great place for chicken fried steak an all the right embellishments.


Cranes Mill Country Kitchen ‑ Take 2673 over to Startzville which is about 10 miles left, it’s on the left, most of the way through town. Servers  breakfast lunch and dinner Has breakfast buffet and a really friendly staff.


Flying Ing Chef ‑ On  306 just past the intersection with 2673. A satisfying place for a “fisherman’s breakfast” and serves tasty meals all day.


Posey BBQ ‑ Intersection 2673 and River Road in Sattler.  If you've been to a Chapter meeting you know Mr. Posey’s BBQ and trimmings. Stop in and grab a quick sandwich for a mid-day boost and then get right back into the river.


Huisache Grill ‑ In New Braunfels find the traffic circle in the center of town. It is just across the railroad tracks to your left.  A unique restaurant for fine wine and dinning to celebrate a successful day on the stream. Specializes in grilled meats and vegetables. Highly recommended.


Grist Mill Restaurant ‑ In Gruene: From 306, take the main road into town and you'll run  into it. You can get anything from a gourmet burger to a fine steak dinner and have it served to you on a deck overlooking the Guadalupe River. A Guadalupe River Classic. Don’t miss it this season.


This gives even the most discriminating fisher person a wide variety of dining experience to corrigliment a day on the Guadalupe. Each of these rest urants has shown their support for Trout Unlimited's effort to develop the Guadalupe River into a quality trout fishery. So, next time you need a bite to eat, stop in for some good food and thank them for their support.


1995 Fly‑Tackle Dealer's Show

By Jeff Schmitt

The Big Tackle Dealers Show is held each September   in Denver. At this show suppliers offer fishing goods and services introduce flyshops, fly‑ retailers of fly‑fishing equipment to what's new for the coming season. Cyndie and I have attended he show the past two years in order to get a sneak review of what's coming for next season. We’d thought our members would d like a short summary of what we found.


Fly‑fishing as an industry continues to enjoy strong growth. This year’s Show was almost twice as big

as last years, which was up 20% from the 1999 show. Many of the exhibitors are names that are familiar from visits to our local fly show or catalog.


However, there are also lots of Individuals and small companies introducing new products to our sport and hoping to make a go of it. The growth in interest in fly‑fishing is spurring lots of innovation and creating hope for these entrepreneurs.


On the products scene, both Sage and Orvis have major new production introductions in their

line. Orvis has introduced the "Trident" line of rods. These rods are designed to control the natural tendency of a flyrod to generate unwanted modes of vibration during the casting stroke and have been based on vibration control technology used on the Trident submarine. Sage introduced 2 new series in their flyrod line. The SP+ and RPL+ series fine tune the range of actions available in the Sage product line. I tried both of these products in the casting pools at the show. Both are a pleasure to cast and are fine products. But, like many high end products, the differences between the new and existing product lines are so subtle I don't recommend you run out to replace all of your existing flyrod arsenal. But, if you're in the market for a new rod you'll find these new rods available for your selection.


This year’s show was big for the marrying of computers and fly‑fishing. ‑Last year we saw only one computer software product for Fly‑fishing. This year, we saw at least 9 products. HyperCompleat, Angle and Amiable Instruction have software for fishing journal programs. Virtual Adventures and Tite Line Products have introduced software designated to provide in information about flyfishing several popular destinations.  ESPN has a product des n d to teach one the basics of fly‑fishing. Clearly it is going to be a growing area to have copies of several of these fish programs. If you are interested in seeing a demo exploring the finer points of these applications.


Other products of note include a wide variety of watercraft for personal flotation. We've sure come a long way from the float tube and basic kick boat.

Products for organizing your gear are becoming more innovative III of the time, with options way too numerous to list. Introductory level flyrods, reels and waders are getting less expensive and better quality all of the time, pushing manufacturers of top end equipment to keep their products ahead.


The Fly Tackle Dealers show has given us a sneak preview of what's coming. Looks like our local flyshops will have lots of new things coming in for this year.


By Jeff  Schmidt -Visit to "Our" Fish Hatchery

For a number of years, the Chapter used Silver Springs Farm in Montrose, Colorado, as the source for the fish we stock in the Guadalupe. While Cyndie and I were moving across Colorado, we stopped in Montrose and went out to visit Dave Gann, owner and operator of the hatchery.


Silver Sgrings is located on a ranch property up a draw in the mountains west of Montrose. It consists of a series of about a dozen interlinked ponds, a facilities for incubating, hatching and rearing various trout fry (rainbows, brown and brook) and a unique gravity loading system that moves fish from he ponds onto trucks in a way that minimizes stress


This system of loading fish is important to mate condition of fish at are about to be sent off on a 24‑hour truck ride to Texas and introduction into the Guadalupe.


One of the most important features about Silver Springs operation is its water source, which is an underground spring that emerges from the ground on the hatchery property. This protects the Silver Springs fish from many of the bacteria and disease problems that can a affect pond raised hatchery trout. Silver Springs has been certified to be whirling disease free.


Dave Ganns' trout farming operations produce between 750,000 and 1000 0 t cut per year. Most of his trout are sold to private trout fishing interests in Colorado and New Mexico between April and early Au,

August Our fish are scheduled and held in on s jus for our "off‑season" stocking program. In addition to his trout farming operations, Dave also raises elk on the same property.


While we were at the farm, we saw the ponds with the rainbow and brown trout we will be receiving this season. The browns are already 10"‑12" and will be quite a bit larger   when we get them. The rainbows are just 3" ‑ 5" but are being fed twice a day and will be nice, catch‑able sized fish by the time we stock them.

There are a number of thin s about the Silver Springs operation that makes 119 an ideal source for our trout stocking programs It was an interesting experience to see first hand where the trout we will fish for all winter get their start.


The Chapter honors the following distinguished members

Life membership

Honorary Members

James Keeton

Bill Pabst

J. Bill Parvin

Glenn Richardson*

Chad Oliver

Paul Schubauer

Hazel Schubauer

Tom Whitehouse

Bill Cobb

Howard Itten



A few good persons to become officers, directors and committee members of this or anization. Let Alan Bray know of your interests.


Need someone to take over the newsletter, ample material contributions coming in so t a main job would De preparation, publishing and coordinating.


Postal permit in place as well as the actual printing and mailing. Again, contact Alan if interested.

Get involved by being active.


The Guadalupe River Chapter of Trout Unlimited honors our Century Club Members.

The following have made cash contributions of $50 or more, in addition to their supporting membership donations and lease access permit costs for the 1995‑6 season at press time.

Walter M. Bain Chuck Banks Steve Batchelor Tom Blank Duane Brandt, Jr. Alan V. Bray John Brimberry David L. Davidson Michael T. Fitzpatrick, MID Jeffrey Goodwin Joan Gould Kenneth Gould, Jr.. MID Keith D. Graham, Jr. Thomas Greene Samuel C. Hamilton Ralph Jenkins Hylmar Karbach, Jr., MD Jon E. Klema Greg Laubach Robert R. Lends Michael Marko, MID Mark McCollum Mike Murphy Wesley D. Nelson Terrill Powell Basden L.(Bud) Priddy Steven Raben Larry E. Reaves, MID Edward A. Rizzolo, MID  Jeff Schmitt  Michael Scott  Jonathan Simmon, BSDC Michael E. Smith James B. Smith, Jr. Marian Tilson Billy H. Trimble

Raymond A. Trompler Dr. Thomas E. Vice Jim Vynalek Edwin Williams, Jr.


Special thanks to Ray Box of Gruene Outfitters for his very generous contribution



The TP&W Commission which makes t a final ruling on new fishing regulations will be meeting January 25, 1996. The new trout fishing regulations for Guadalupe are on the agenda, and this is essentially the kick‑off of the new regulation review process. To remind GRTU members, the new trout regulations for the Guadalupe include:

Limit ‑ 3 fish over 16 inches in length from Route 306 Bridge (at Whitewater ) to the second crossing Artificial flies and lures only


I will represent GRTU in making a presentation to the commissioners summarizing GRTU’s position and the supporting data for a long‑ term trout fishery. The meeting takes place at TP&W headquarters in Austin, and starts at 9:00 AM.


Fish Stocking Remind

 Just as a reminder, ‑ fish stocking dates are confidential information TU Lease Access permit holder you receive a postcard in the mail announcing the dates. These dates are kept confidential to discourage poaching and trespassing on our landowners properties. Even the dates and details of the stockings need to be kept confidential ‑please help protect our landowners and our lease and stocking programs loose lips lose fish! This confidential also applies to the combinations on the locks and the locations of the lease access sites. We are more than willing to accept new GRTU Lease Access permit holders, they must be willing to spend the time to learn the rules of the program in our Lease Access Anger Education Program.


Another Prince?

The Prince Nymph has long been a favorite on the Guadalupe, particularly in the smaller sizes like 16's or 18's Lately, during winter I wrote which I had to see dots an my bifocals, be an tying he Prince with white Z‑Lon

or white Poly‑Yarn wing It's a much easier fly to tie (particularly since I cheat by using a hen hackle tail instead of black dots) and has action in the water that the classic tie does not. I have also tied this in a bead head version but find that for fishing low water the bead head tends to snag the bottom a good deal while a regular fly with a split inches above it will snag less; and still get enough to catch bottom nymphing. It has worked well for me in the early season ‑ of course so does nearly everything until the trout have seen the menu too often.


Stand‑By For Catch (Creel) Cards

Coming soon to your favorite GRTU lease site ‑ angler surveys to determine how many fish how big, and what type you caught on your latest trip Please be on t e I lookout for mail boxes with creel card s in them and be in filling them out.  This will help us understand our fishery in the long run.



Last August Jim Vynalek went "north to Alaska" to fly‑fish mostly for silver salmon. The fishing was

great. Of course, that meant removing hooks from lots of fish. The unexpected surprise was learning how to remove hooks from fishermen.


One day, while fishing for arctic char, one of Jim's companions ‑ a doctor from Florida ‑‑ called to him: "Jim, can you come over here and help me. I've got a fly stuck in my hand. It's be ond the barb and I can t get it out myself Jim said he'd be pleased to help ut needed instruction on how to do it. The doctor explained the procedure. Jim responded accordingly and, Lo and behold, the hook came out ‑‑ no pain, no strain. Jim says the experience must have been fate. Just 10 days later the scene changes. He and a cousin are now in Ontario spinfishing for Muskie. They're using lures with two gangs of treble hooks. Late in the week, a freak accident occurs on the boat. Jim's cousin mishandles a lure and, unbelievably, ends up with one treble hook of the lure in his left hand, the other treble hook of the same lure in his right hand!


With the cousin understandably distraught and in pain, Jim reassures him that e hooks can be removed without pain (Jim really didn't know whether or not that was so, but the attempt had to be made).


Amazingly the system worked! Not only once but twice ... and with the bigger hooks! So Jim strong recommends everyone that fishes should e acquainted with the procedure illustrated.

Caution: The tips provided apply to routine hook removal only, such as in the n fingers hands, arms, neck ears back, or other loose skin. Since two free hands are necessary to perform this procedure, the removal should generally be done by a second person (that's the on way it can be done if hook is impaled in your own finger, hand, or arm). If hook is seriously impaled or in critical area such as near ‑yes, cut the leader or cut the shank of the hook with plier cutters, leaving the hook impaled until a doctor can be seen.

In the case of lures with two or more treble hooks, with one of the three hooks impaled, cut all the remaining exposed hooks before executing this method

1.Loop 10 to 15 lb. test leader or line around curve of hook and grip loose ends firmly (illustration  #1

2. With thumb of opposite hand press hard on the head of the hook. (Il lustration #2)

3. Align barb back along the pathway of entrance, then quickly, sharply pull it ou .. (illustration #3)

While no always possible or necessary, to position the hooked area so that the sharp pull down and out.



Ray Box at Gruene Outfitters has always been a strong supporter of our efforts on a Guadalupe River.  Recently Ray made a $500 donation to our Fisheries Fund which helps fund the stocking of trout into the Guadalupe. This makes Gruene Outfitters our largest commercial donor.


In addition, Ray purchased lease access passes for his entire Staff:. Stacy, Ted and Kevin work with Ray to make Gruene Outfitters a top notch flyshop. Ray felt that it was important that all of his employees have direct experience fishing the Guadalupe River so that they could provide the best advice to his customers.

We urge GRTU members to stop by and thank Re and his staff and to support Gruene Outfitters Ray your business.

Jeff Schmitt



 WORD (Water Oriented Recreation District) is charged overseeing activities in river, cleanups, facilities, law enforcement and promotion of recreation in the area.


Most of WORD activities are focused around the use of the Guadalupe by tubers in the summer. However, WORD receives some tax revenues on the day use fishing access fees collected b the commercial operations on the river, as wail as campground and motel fees paid by people w 0 come to fish here. They also recognize the opportunity that a quality trout fishery brings to the recreation I resource that they manage. Over the past several years, a cooperative working relationship has developed between WORD and GRTU. WORD has been providing assistance with river cleanup and other chapter projects.


In support of GRTU's efforts to develop the Guadalupe River trout fishery WORD provided $500 to help fund GRTU. GRTU wishes to thank WORD and the Board of efforts.



GRTU has moved to improve the security on our lease access properties by starting a routine patrol of our leases. Local Game Wardens Sam Sanchez and Rocky Alba have been contracted to patrol our leases. Sam and Rocky will be enforcing state laws (keep limits, trespassing, licenses, trout stamps) and reporting to our enforcement committee violations or chapter rules. If you keep your lease pass visible and our parking pass in your car, expect to only get a friendly wave from them as they walk the lease properties. Forget them and expect to have your fishing license and stringer checked and your tag number reported to the enforcement committee. We hope that these patrols will help us improve the integrity of our lease access program.

Jeff Schmitt



Until recently, Texas Parks and Wildlife trout program on he Guadalupe River was manned as a put‑and‑take stocking program that TP W sponsors throu out the state. Recent recommendations by TP&W for changes to keep limits on a section of the Guadalupe River marked an important change in TP&Ws regulation of the resource. TP&W has recently announced a trout incubation and stocking program that departs from put‑and-take management of the resource and plans to take advantage this important is proposed new regulation These are

ongoing steps towards TP&W recognition and management of the Guadalupe as a unique resource.


TP&W has purchased 200,000 rainbow trout eggs and plans to use cool water hatchery resources at Possum Kingdom to incubate and rear these trout fry. These trout egg have been purchased from the same source use by our trout supplier and are of a genetic makeup thought to be well suited for our river conditions. Late his spring, at a size of 3" ‑ 5" these trout will be stocked into the proposed special regulation section of the Guadalupe e River.


If the new regulation (3 fish limit over 16') goes into effect in September as planned, these fish will be protected from angler keep pressure for several years.


TP&W hopes that this program will be successful and that it will be able a to continue this program, into the future. GRTU and TP&W continue to enjoy a cooperative. working relationship and share a common vision for the development of the Guadalupe River into a quality trout fishery.


If you need to contact National Trout Unlimited in regards to your membership, change of address not receiving the magazine or other membership matters, you can contact them at:

Trout Unlimited 1500 Wilson Blvd Suite 310 Arlington, VA 22209‑2310 phone: (703) 522‑0200 fax: (703) 284‑9400

 Membership: 1‑800‑834‑2419 12:00 noon ‑ 5:00 pm East




Mr. Streamside Manners *2 1

Dear Mr. Streamside Manners,

When on vacation and fishing in unfamiliar waters,  I often hire a guide e to maximize my fishing enjoyment. However, one troublesome nagging aspect of hiring a guide is the matter of appropriate aspect of tipping etiquette? Your advice on tipping etiquette will hopefully help the awkward uncertainty when paying a guide.

Signed: David G.


Dear David G:

This has been an age-old question dealing with guides   They set a  charge for  the day, and then at the end expect,to be tipped also. As with many service related industries, our culture has considered giving a gratuity a pleasant gesture for services rendered or a sign of appreciation for doing a very good job, or they give one because they are pleased with the service. Many people, waiters cab drivers, delivery persons. A guide has provided a day-long service. If he has worked hard to put you on to good fish, and a good time, they deserve a tip. How much? It depends on your feeling on how good the guide was and the services you received.  A guideline: 10% is a minimum for a reasonably good day, and up to 20% for an excellent day. Should you have landed truly trophy fish, a trophy tip could be considered also.


I hope this answers your question sufficiently.

Tight Lines, Mr. Stream Manners