Scud back material?

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Scud back material?

Post by Brooksido » Sun Dec 11, 2011 9:53 am

I wanted to try my hand at tying up some scuds, and picked up some scud back material the other day. Sat down at the vise this morning and simply put, this stuff fell apart. Have any of y'all experienced this?

As soon as I pulled it out of the package, and checked to see if it was stretchy, it broke. I figured I pulled on it too hard and proceeded to tie some on the hook...but even a loose thread wrap for placement sliced right through it like butter. Finally, after about 5 failed attempts, I got one piece to tie down without breaking...dubbed the hook shank, and as soon as I folded the scud back over the dubbing, it just came apart.

Did I get a bad or old batch? If not, what am I doing wrong??

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Re: Scud back material?

Post by Danny S » Sun Dec 11, 2011 3:15 pm

Sounds like you got a bad batch. You might consider using sandwich or some other type of plastic bag. Just cut the strips to width. I've never bought the material you refer to--I've always used clear plastic that is easy to find around the house.

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Re: Scud back material?

Post by cjcalls » Sun Dec 11, 2011 3:21 pm

Ziploc bags. Or
Wide pearl mylar flashabou

Dont know what's going on with what you have

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Re: Scud back material?

Post by Brooksido » Sun Dec 11, 2011 4:48 pm

Yeah, sounds like I got some bad stuff...so brittle that one fish would tear it to shreds. The plastic bag idea is a good one...I'll definitely give that a shot...thanks!

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Re: Scud back material?

Post by jchristensen77 » Mon Dec 12, 2011 4:12 pm

Definately go for the plastic bags. Totally cheaper and easier to work with..
Dont forget to buy some cheap monofiliment for the segments!

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Re: Scud back material?

Post by Coach Shep » Tue Jan 03, 2012 2:54 pm

I never have liked scud back. It slips out no matter how tight your wraps are, and it tears too easy. I have used thin skin, and it works pretty good. Plastic bags work well too if it is a freezer bag, regularly sandwich bags stretch too easy.

I do have one thing that I'm betting you haven't heard of though. I don't even know what to call it. It comes off of my wife's shirts or blouses. It is the thing that I guess you are supposed to hang women's clothes up on. She buys a new top and cuts these things out immediatly. It isn't real good for a scud smaller than a 14. But it's real good for a crawfish or shrimp carapace, and large scuds. I even use it for wingcases on nymphs. This stuff is a lot stronger than scud back, and sometimes it comes in different colors, depending on what shirt she buys!

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Re: Scud back material?

Post by Brooksido » Tue Jan 03, 2012 3:02 pm

Ah, yes...I know exactly what you're referring to....I can see how that would work well for the larger flies. I tried the plastic bag idea, and it worked pretty well...I just have trouble cutting small strips at a consistant width.

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Re: Scud back material?

Post by Bloody Thumbs » Tue Jan 17, 2012 6:46 am

I always had a hard time with getting a constant width of ziploc strips too, until I picked up the trick of using a straight edge and a circular cutter. You can get the cutter at walmart or any craft store for about $10. You'll get even strips of any width you want.

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Re: Scud back material?

Post by bjackson102 » Mon Oct 22, 2012 6:53 pm

You can also make some pretty nice scuds with beads from your local craft store.

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Re: Scud back material?

Post by mickmcco » Tue Nov 27, 2012 8:57 am

My favorite scud back material is an old Orvis product called "Shimmer Skin." Not sure they still sell it, but I have great luck with it. It has a mottled texture and iridescence not found in other scud back material.
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Re: Scud back material?

Post by Alex Argyros » Tue Nov 27, 2012 1:26 pm

I don't think the material matters (and, a fortiori, the color) because most scud patterns, especially if they are tied with any weight, will ride upside down. The back material isn't intended to imitate the bug, but to make the back streamlined in order to facilitate quick sinking.

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Re: Scud back material?

Post by jchristensen77 » Thu Nov 29, 2012 3:20 pm

I read an article recently about how there is a war with tiers as to whether scud imitations should even be curved in the first place.
The more time I spend at this I begin to think that the patterns are so vast to attract people rather than fish...
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