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Fenwick fly rod

Post by jzap » Sun Apr 14, 2013 10:02 pm

I came across this Fenwick rod at a yard sale. I have read they are a little tricky to cast. Has anyone cast one of theses glass rods, and what line and reel would be a good fit for this type of rod?

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Re: Fenwick fly rod

Post by Jimbo Roberts » Sun Apr 14, 2013 11:34 pm

That one looks to be in great shape!
I started flyfishing Fenwick fiberglass rods back in the 60's. The only real trick to casting them, is that they react more slowly than Graphite rods, so slow down your casting stroke. watch your backcast and wait on the flyline to straighten before beginning the next stroke. I have a Fenwick FF 765 a 7 1/2' 6wt myself. They are not nearly as stiff, they have more latent vibration, which causes some lack of accuracy especially at greater distances. But generally speaking at most normal fishing distances 20-50' these tools will work just fine. They also much more durable than the early graphite rods, you could nick a glass rod and fish on, those early graphite rods couldn't take it. I have several blow up just casting them. I use a Scientific Anglers WF GPX line on mine of the recommended weight, but I suspect something like double tapers in Scientific Anglers Trout series ( designed for slower rods) would be better suited.

I am sure Ron, Pete, Floyd and others will chime in and talk about how they perfer these rods. Being softer and flexing more deeply they have more 'Feel" or feedback. And this is why fiberglass and bamboo flyrods have many devotees. Feel and a more relaxed casting stroke is what rings their bell. There have been advancements in fiberglass technology like the use of S Glass which is somewhat stiffer and can make a faster rod. Still most fiberglass enthusiasts perfer traditional fiberglass and there are specialists who still make these rods in a traditional fashion.

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Re: Fenwick fly rod

Post by jzap » Mon Apr 15, 2013 9:37 am

I picked up two Fenwick rods at the yard sale, the one pictured and an FF806. I will post pictures of the FF806 when I get home from work this evening. Both rods are in good shape, hope to get them on the river sometime soon. Thanks for the input Jimbo.

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Re: Fenwick fly rod

Post by TugAddict » Mon Apr 15, 2013 5:39 pm

Jzap

go check out Cameron Mortenson at "TheFiberglassManifesto.com He is an awesome source for all things glass. Its a great blog and a ton of info. Shoot him your pics in an email.
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Re: Fenwick fly rod

Post by jzap » Mon Apr 15, 2013 11:02 pm

Here are some pictures of the other rod. Did some casting with it in the yard today, felt very good, and accurate. Thanks for the info on
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Re: Fenwick fly rod

Post by TugAddict » Tue Apr 16, 2013 9:06 am

good looking rod!!! I love those old glass rods. Reminds me of my days fishing with my dad and his old fenwick's.
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Re: Fenwick fly rod

Post by Jimbo Roberts » Tue Apr 16, 2013 1:12 pm

Both look to be in good shape, windings look good, handle on the 806 shows some use, but still intact. I would say they were well maintained if not little used to look that good. I paid about $110 on ebay for mine with a case and the original rod sock. I bet you did better. That 6 foot 5wt should be a great rod for small streams and tight quarters and judging by the color of the blank looks to be one of the early sought-after "glow sticks". If so the sunlight easily makes the blank translucent, or almost light-up in sunlight. The 8 foot 6wt is an newer model and should be a good all-round rod for Trout, Perch, and light Bass fishing.

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Re: Fenwick fly rod

Post by erhd55 » Tue Apr 16, 2013 3:12 pm

Jzap,

Check out:
http://fiberglassflyrodders.com/forum/

The forum is a good information source for fiberglass fly rods. There are several GRTU members that post on this forum.

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Re: Fenwick fly rod

Post by Ron Mc » Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:08 am

Sorry I'm late. Nice find with the FF605.
I sold Cameron his first fiberglass rod. A Heddon Pro Weight 8381, which is a legendary 7' 5-wt dry fly and midge rod, and Cam really put it to use in the Appalachians.

To me, where glass shines are short to mid-length, mid-line-weight rods. Graphite doesn't work here, and even cane leaves a lot to be desired.
honking bass on a 7' Phillipson, sight-fished in this water. Jimbo, you left out stealth with all that soft casting.
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Your FF605 falls right in the bracket, and is a very desirable rod, both to fish and collect - especially that sliding-band Ferrulite. They made a 2000 reintroduction of the Fenglas FF605 with an uplocking screw reel seat, and while these sold out for $50, they bring well over $100 today, and your original Ferrulite is worth twice that.

Sorry, I just sold the reel I used to match with an FF605. It was an H-I Sportcraft 60. Below I mention a reel with spare spool and two lines I'll sell if it interests you, but you can also go hang out a bit on FFR and find many nice reels (and rods) being bought and sold (and forum pages discussing just everything about glass)
http://fiberglassflyrodders.com/forum/v ... m.php?f=26
For floating lines on short rods, short-belly lines are great, like Teeny First Cast and SA Head Start. Since these little lines don't take up a lot of space, you can go down to a 2-3-wt. size reel. Of course I fish a Teeny BS100 sinking about 100% of the time in warmwater. The 10-m Cortland double tapers that Bass Pro sells are also fantastic lines on short rods in little water (and these improve roll casting). I fish one of these on a 6' 5-wt Lami.

If you're having troubles casting, you definitely need to slow down, because this rod should really surprise you with its ability to load and cast more distance than you expect. Where it comes up short (no pun) is in roll-casting.
The only short rods I've found that roll cast well are Phillipsons.

The FF605 is a good choice to take in the tightest overhung waters, like Cibolo nature center or the Guadalupe forks down to the confluence (and all the other places you've never thought about taking a fly rod before.
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Here was a day out a couple of years ago, with a Fenglas FF605 and two Phillipsons
The reels are are Martin MG3-SS, and Shakespeare Supreme 1834 (I could sell you this one with a spare spool - even with lines), and the bottom reel a between-the-wars JW Young 2-1/2"er (I collect these - and fish them)
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here's my Phillipson 6'6' 6-wt. at the confluence of the Guadalupe forks.
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Last year fished a day with Steve F. and Bruce, and Steve showed why his FF75 (7' 5-wt) is one of the most desirable dry fly rods of all time.
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Your 806 is a nice all-around warmwater rod, and long enough to be a nymphing rod in the tailrace.
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Re: Fenwick fly rod

Post by jzap » Thu Apr 18, 2013 11:59 am

Thanks for all the info everyone. I haven't been able to get down to the river yet, can't wait to try these rods out. I have a berkley reel with DT6F line, which came with the rods. I'm guessing that would work well with the FF806. I've been on FFR website, lots of good info. I am looking for areel and line that would work well with the FF605. Ron MC let me know what you would take for the Shakespeare you mentioned. How much stress can these rods take, I am hesitant of taking the FF605 out in fear that I might break it. The more I read about theses rods and from what evryone has mentioned I guess I realy got lucky in finding these rods.

Thanks again

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Re: Fenwick fly rod

Post by Ron Mc » Thu Apr 18, 2013 12:37 pm

glass rods are tougher than graphite and bamboo both.
I sight-fished and landed this bass on a 7-1/2' Vince Cummings Water Witch, which is a 6-wt., but has a super progressive taper (tip so soft it will literally dry-fly-fish a 3-wt line, and will cast the leader alone).
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you could catch this bass on the FF605. It would get exciting (and did) but you wouldn't hurt the rod.

Let me get home and inventory the reel and spool, check lines to make sure what I have, and I'll send you a pm.
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Re: Fenwick fly rod

Post by Danny S » Mon Apr 22, 2013 5:32 am

Don't listen to Ron or Jimbo or anyone else who try to tell you these are nice rods and great fishing tools. They cast terribly and are too fragile to use for any fish over a half pound. Not sure what Fenwick was thinking when they made those rods!

That said, I would be very willing to take the 605 off your hands. I would like to add it to my collection of rods that I would never use.

Seriously--that's a great find and as previously mentioned, the 605 will serve you very well in tight quarters or any smaller stream. I have a few Fenwicks and the FF79 is usually my go to trout rod. Congrats on you find!

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Re: Fenwick fly rod

Post by dag52 » Tue Apr 23, 2013 9:47 pm

Thanks for the original post and all the comments.

Rang a bell in a dim corner of my brain, sent me digging through some old stuff where I found my father's FF857 (yep, an 8.5' 7 wt., rod weight @ 3 7/8 oz.). The condition is close to the pics jzap posted plus a few minor rubbings but the mfr. markings are slightly different: no 'Ferrulite' TM but has an oval decal with the Fenwick logo and an SN. Unfortunately I lack a camera so cannot post pix.

It has the vibratory attributes Jimbo described, but tomorrow I'll have to check how it casts. Knowing my father I can picture him working close-in, though. Rarely more than 25' of line out whether he was working along the shoreline or from a boat, casting towards the shore or around sunken brush.

Now I have to go digging for the big old 1940's era Medalist reel I know he used on this, and hope the line is still usable. Thanks a lot.

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